The Wacken Hot Tub (General Chat)

[Quark]

"Wacken united" doesn't seem very united to me at all... seems like there will be one Wacken for the poor and one Wacken for the happy few rich people that manage to get a ticket.

I'll use a Dutch word here.
It's called "graaiflatie".
Raising prices, KNOWING people will buy it anyway.

 

[agresionpower]

I'll use a Dutch word here.
It's called "graaiflatie".
Raising prices, KNOWING people will buy it anyway.

yup.

To me the metal scene is awesome because we respect people regardless of who you are, who you fancy to date or how rich you are.
If you listen to metal, you're me comrade. These kinds of separate areas for people who are willing, and most importantly ABLE to pay are something that go against everything I personally think the metal scene should stand for.

 

[BO1977]

May the Wacken-mud make all of us equal again.

 

[StrungOut84]

yup.

To me the metal scene is awesome because we respect people regardless of who you are, who you fancy to date or how rich you are.
If you listen to metal, you're me comrade. These kinds of separate areas for people who are willing, and most importantly ABLE to pay are something that go against everything I personally think the metal scene should stand for.

Well said, exactly my thought, I feel like it goes against the whole metal "mentality".

 

[Quark]

Unfortunately there's a demand for it. So, as organisations you'd be crazy, not to forfill this demand! After all, it is money!

But those VIP areas are boring. Been there, done that.

(OK, if you've volunteered for said organisations, I think it's a decent thing to do.)

 

[BO1977]

I beg to differ.

As long as Wacken is sold out, Wacken United does not matter.

However, what happens if not all Wacken tickets are sold out? The “sold out” tag on the Webpage is not a god given fact, see e.g. the ticket numbers for Rock am Ring this year.

To put this into perspective: The turnover for 300 day-passes (~100€ each) and 500 4-day-passes (400€ each) for Wacken Divided, I’m sorry I mean Wacken United, is in the order of 233 k€. This additional turnover vanishes as soon as ~780 tickets for 300€ are not sold.

Thus, if a small market is served at the expense of the bulk of customers (and not everyone is happy wiht the development of the festival, see above), the latter being the cash cow of the festival, the total turnover, and typically also the profit, may go down drastically.


So serving every demand is not always the way to go

 

[Quark]

I beg to differ.

As long as Wacken is sold out, Wacken United does not matter.

However, what happens if not all Wacken tickets are sold out? The “sold out” tag on the Webpage is not a god given fact, see e.g. the ticket numbers for Rock am Ring this year.

To put this into perspective: The turnover for 300 day-passes (~100€ each) and 500 4-day-passes (400€ each) for Wacken Divided, I’m sorry I mean Wacken United, is in the order of 233 k€. This additional turnover vanishes as soon as ~780 tickets for 300€ are not sold.

Thus, if a small market is served at the expense of the bulk of customers (and not everyone is happy wiht the development of the festival, see above), the latter being the cash cow of the festival, the total turnover, and typically also the profit, may go down drastically.


So serving every demand is not always the way to go

Er, it's an UPGRADE!
This means, you need a, let's say, a normal ticket 🎟 to start with!
It is not a subsidiary batch of tickets!

I can understand that for PROFESSIONALS, they do no longer want to give tickets for free, but 99€/day or 389€(?) for all days is a bit over the top. Especially if you "open" it for all people.
And, in my own experience, this VIP area isn't that existing! It's just a place where you can find more peace, so you can work under calm circumstances. You rarely get to see any artists.

And it seems that there's no alcohol for sale either! Plus the prices of the food/drink packages are exorbitant as well!

I know one thing: I'm not going to pay any $, €, £, ¥, ₩, CHF or whatever, for this "service".
If access is offered to me, I'll take it, if not, makes no difference.

 

[BO1977]

Well regarding "Er, it's an UPGRADE!" as you see in the text above, I have been talking about an additional turnover

We are talking about two different topics here, you are mentioning your personal experience while I am questioning the approach as such.

 

[Quark]

Well regarding "Er, it's an UPGRADE!" as you see in the text above, I have been talking about an additional turnover

We are talking about two different topics here, you are mentioning your personal experience while I am questioning the approach as such.

I think, we both agree that it's useless. Except for professionals like journalists etc.

For us... doesn't make any sense.

 

[Milkie]

I always loved that Wacken didn’t have a VIP tickets. Also kind of crazy to me how much the prices have gone up. When I started to going to Wacken, the tickets were less than 200 € and now they are 300 €. Would be crazy to put another 300 € to get access to some VIP area.

I hope this doesn’t take away from other stuff (tho with how much it costs, definitely shouldn’t) like having enough seating scattered around the festival area.

 

[Quark]

I always loved that Wacken didn’t have a VIP tickets. Also kind of crazy to me how much the prices have gone up. When I started to going to Wacken, the tickets were less than 200 € and now they are 300 €. Would be crazy to put another 300 € to get access to some VIP area.

I hope this doesn’t take away from other stuff (tho with how much it costs, definitely shouldn’t) like having enough seating scattered around the festival area.

Apart from being unnecessary, I honestly don't think it'll "cost" anything on the normal side. This is just a way to get more €€€$$$, but for services on the infied/camping etc. should be the same!

But unfortunately, we've lost contact with @Wacken-Jasper because he's got another function within the W:O:A organisation. (nonetheless I'll tag him here anyways) He's here from time to time, but way less than in other years!
A replacement has not yet been found. (I'll candidate if needed! )

 

[Darkfang]

I can’t wait to have a beer on the Holy Ground

Nice! We might be able to meet this time, I will be with Darkfang.

I am, aber 4 years. (OK, '20 and '21 were literally impossible, but '22 was not possible for me, due to Hellfest)

I guess the 2019 forum family will be reunited once again at Wacken! 42 days left since we will be there on Monday

 

[Quark]

I guess the 2019 forum family will be reunited once again at Wacken! 42 days left since we will be there on Monday

Pareil.

I'll travel on Monday, and if all goes well, arrive somewhere around 18:30h in Itzehoe station.
And... I'll be (plus ou moins) at the same place as in 19)

 

[Darkfang]

Apart from being unnecessary, I honestly don't think it'll "cost" anything on the normal side. This is just a way to get more €€€$$$, but for services on the infied/camping etc. should be the same!

That's was I said to StrungOut84. If people are willing to purchase this to help fund the whole festival, cool. The music industries took a massive hit during covid. Some band will stop touring before it's not as profitable as before.. sad ..

 

[Darkfang]

Pareil.

I'll travel on Monday, and if all goes well, arrive somewhere around 18:30h in Itzehoe station.
And... I'll be (plus ou moins) at the same place as in 19)

Parfait! We are taking the shuttle from the Airport schedule at 12:30pm . I think we will have a good spot