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METALPOPE667
W:O:A Metalmaster
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so dat is es erstmal ... bei fehlern bitte melden oder änderungsvorschläge 
is alles willkommen
1. Why do people listen to Metal and what does it mean to these people?
Metal helps you to cope with extreme feelings such as anger, happiness, stress and so on. How?
Through the hard and honest sound of metal your emotions/feelings are enhanced/ strengthened and when you’re angry, the music helps you to reduce that feeling.
Metal goes far beyond the usual music business, it’s a way of life and within the scene you can find a lot of support of your fellow metalheads, which most people surprisingly do not expect. The metal scene is sometimes even regarded as a sort of second family.
There are several kinds of metal referred to as (you all know it) “genres”. Metal itself is only an “umbrella term”, describing the whole of it. In this way, you can always choose the genre, you might need at the moment. Whether you want something fast or slow, growling or clear vocals, you will always find something that will suit you and your temporary mood.
The interaction of guitars, bass and drums gives everybody a different feeling.
Going to a metal party, festival or concert means having a lot of fun and just feeling good. Can you feel better anywhere else than at a place where there are only people who think and feel just the way you do? It’s astonishing how easily it is to start a conversation with somebody. Metalheads feel they belong together and are always frank to any other of their kind, and very straightforward.
Metal means honesty and togetherness, that’s what they keep on saying.
Looking at the musical aspect, metal is of higher quality than it is said usually said – There are ingenious guitar players, stunning/breathtaking vocalists and fantastic drummers.
At the beginning it was the music of rebels, of people who were different, and dared to be different. People, who did not give a damn about what other people thought of there opinion, and who did not care, what "the others" thought about their behaviour, their way of life.
Today they are a little bit more accepted by society, however they still live the way they think it’s right, not caring about what the rest of the society might think.
You could say that listening to Metal is like belonging to a huge group. A group in which you feel good in.
Metalheads don’t worry about the way you look, there is almost no superficiality in the scene. You’re a freak and so are the others! Because you have something in common – Extreme music.
The feeling which arises at a concert is indescribable. There’s the band on the scene, playing your favourite music. Around you there are only people who are hooked in the same drug as you are – Metal. The musicians, the music and the crowd become one.
When you fall, you know there will be hands to help you up. Metal is not only music. It goes far beyond the usual music business, as already mentioned.
Some people say Metal is a religion, and partly, they are right.
The Metal scene has grown huge all over the world. You can find metalheads all over the world!
There’s a kind of proverb, saying that “extreme music is for extreme people”, and it’s the truth.
What are extreme people in our society? People who don’t give a damn about what others might think of them, for instance
Metal is a very emotional music, it creates communities, brings people together and can help you cope with your extreme feelings by bringing them down to a better balanced level.
2. What is so particular/special about Metal?
As already mentioned, Metal is made up of a number of subgenres. Even though the genres are sometimes difficult to segregate, they show different characteristics in their overall structures, instrument styles (particularly vocals), and tempo.
In some genres the melodies and rhythms are held very simple, while on others the compositions are very complicated, sometimes based on classical structures. In some genres the vocals are clear, very high, while (in for instance Death of Black Metal) the vocals are described as “growling” or “grunting”.
In some bands the use of opera like singing is also common. (Nightwish, Within Temptation)
There’s also a variety in the lyrics of the different genres. Some deal with merely fantasy, or deep hatred or anger, religion, sexual texts, melancholy up to political criticism of the society.
Metal and Rock lyrics all consist of individuality and the freedom of the though/freedom of thinking. And this also/ contains lyrics of violence and death experiences of human sorrow, like it is in the real world.
Unfortunately the people look too superficially on most of those lyrics and interpret them wrong, like they did with “Hail and Kill” of Manowar or other similar striking titles/songs.
Metal is hand made, not created at a computer or whatsoever.
There’s a positive energy within the songs, even when they are regarded as negative and aggressive.
The greeting sign of the Metalhead is he so called „Pommesgabel“ (also known as the „Frittenstecher“) and has become popular in the scene since Ronnie James Dio introduced it at one of his concerts. Since then all the metalheads identify themselves with the sign, which is also regarded as the „devil’s horns“.
The metalheads have not invented their own slang to such an extend as the hip-hoppers have done.
Next to some terms like “trueness” and “poser” there are only other terms concerning the names of the genres, the band names and some other different things concerning the music itself.
Sometimes, jokingly, the different kinds of metal are referred to as “Gemetzel” or “Geknüppel” and other terms describing violence (wanting to underline the hardness of metal). The music is sometimes even referred to as “terror”.
You can observe different ways of “dancing” on a concert or festival or whatever place where metal is played:
Headbanging
Moshpit
Circlepit
Crowdsurfing
Stagediving
Wall of Death
Slamdance (?)
Violent Dancing
Poging
...
is alles willkommen 1. Why do people listen to Metal and what does it mean to these people?
Metal helps you to cope with extreme feelings such as anger, happiness, stress and so on. How?
Through the hard and honest sound of metal your emotions/feelings are enhanced/ strengthened and when you’re angry, the music helps you to reduce that feeling.
Metal goes far beyond the usual music business, it’s a way of life and within the scene you can find a lot of support of your fellow metalheads, which most people surprisingly do not expect. The metal scene is sometimes even regarded as a sort of second family.
There are several kinds of metal referred to as (you all know it) “genres”. Metal itself is only an “umbrella term”, describing the whole of it. In this way, you can always choose the genre, you might need at the moment. Whether you want something fast or slow, growling or clear vocals, you will always find something that will suit you and your temporary mood.
The interaction of guitars, bass and drums gives everybody a different feeling.
Going to a metal party, festival or concert means having a lot of fun and just feeling good. Can you feel better anywhere else than at a place where there are only people who think and feel just the way you do? It’s astonishing how easily it is to start a conversation with somebody. Metalheads feel they belong together and are always frank to any other of their kind, and very straightforward.
Metal means honesty and togetherness, that’s what they keep on saying.
Looking at the musical aspect, metal is of higher quality than it is said usually said – There are ingenious guitar players, stunning/breathtaking vocalists and fantastic drummers.
At the beginning it was the music of rebels, of people who were different, and dared to be different. People, who did not give a damn about what other people thought of there opinion, and who did not care, what "the others" thought about their behaviour, their way of life.
Today they are a little bit more accepted by society, however they still live the way they think it’s right, not caring about what the rest of the society might think.
You could say that listening to Metal is like belonging to a huge group. A group in which you feel good in.
Metalheads don’t worry about the way you look, there is almost no superficiality in the scene. You’re a freak and so are the others! Because you have something in common – Extreme music.
The feeling which arises at a concert is indescribable. There’s the band on the scene, playing your favourite music. Around you there are only people who are hooked in the same drug as you are – Metal. The musicians, the music and the crowd become one.
When you fall, you know there will be hands to help you up. Metal is not only music. It goes far beyond the usual music business, as already mentioned.
Some people say Metal is a religion, and partly, they are right.
The Metal scene has grown huge all over the world. You can find metalheads all over the world!
There’s a kind of proverb, saying that “extreme music is for extreme people”, and it’s the truth.
What are extreme people in our society? People who don’t give a damn about what others might think of them, for instance
Metal is a very emotional music, it creates communities, brings people together and can help you cope with your extreme feelings by bringing them down to a better balanced level.
2. What is so particular/special about Metal?
As already mentioned, Metal is made up of a number of subgenres. Even though the genres are sometimes difficult to segregate, they show different characteristics in their overall structures, instrument styles (particularly vocals), and tempo.
In some genres the melodies and rhythms are held very simple, while on others the compositions are very complicated, sometimes based on classical structures. In some genres the vocals are clear, very high, while (in for instance Death of Black Metal) the vocals are described as “growling” or “grunting”.
In some bands the use of opera like singing is also common. (Nightwish, Within Temptation)
There’s also a variety in the lyrics of the different genres. Some deal with merely fantasy, or deep hatred or anger, religion, sexual texts, melancholy up to political criticism of the society.
Metal and Rock lyrics all consist of individuality and the freedom of the though/freedom of thinking. And this also/ contains lyrics of violence and death experiences of human sorrow, like it is in the real world.
Unfortunately the people look too superficially on most of those lyrics and interpret them wrong, like they did with “Hail and Kill” of Manowar or other similar striking titles/songs.
Metal is hand made, not created at a computer or whatsoever.
There’s a positive energy within the songs, even when they are regarded as negative and aggressive.
The greeting sign of the Metalhead is he so called „Pommesgabel“ (also known as the „Frittenstecher“) and has become popular in the scene since Ronnie James Dio introduced it at one of his concerts. Since then all the metalheads identify themselves with the sign, which is also regarded as the „devil’s horns“.
The metalheads have not invented their own slang to such an extend as the hip-hoppers have done.
Next to some terms like “trueness” and “poser” there are only other terms concerning the names of the genres, the band names and some other different things concerning the music itself.
Sometimes, jokingly, the different kinds of metal are referred to as “Gemetzel” or “Geknüppel” and other terms describing violence (wanting to underline the hardness of metal). The music is sometimes even referred to as “terror”.
You can observe different ways of “dancing” on a concert or festival or whatever place where metal is played:
Headbanging
Moshpit
Circlepit
Crowdsurfing
Stagediving
Wall of Death
Slamdance (?)
Violent Dancing
Poging
...
3. Metal lyrics, reality or fantasy?
4. Metal connected to violence? Does Metal cause violence (especially to young listeners) or does it help to reduce aggressions?
You are just a single person in a huge crowd. People are waiting in front of the stage, waiting for the show to begin. It is a shoving, and pushing. Everybody is anxious, nobody knows for sure what will happen during the next 2 hours.
Then - The Intro. The crowd lets loose a huge cheer, people are vocalizing guttural sounds, just to express the feelings they have, because, the band that is playing right now, is one of their favourites.
Then, the music kicks in. People start pushing each other, trying to get some room to breath, to dance, someone falls down, gets picked up immediately, an rejoins the so called "slamdance". For the outsider, it might look like a huge fighting crowd, but from the inside, we are one, huge, family.
Hurting each other is not the goal, it is just about expressing the uttermost joy of being alive, celebrating the fact of just "being". Never, in all of those years, have I witnessed that someone actually tried to hurt another person during one of those concerts.
You say Pop music is very emotional because it deals with the topic of love and happiness. I say it’s wrong. Dealing only with positive aspects of emotion, doesn’t make you being emotional.
What do they say? “There’re always two sides of the story.”
Turn the page and look at the other side.
How can you enjoy happiness when you haven’t experienced sorrow? How can you know what love is when you haven’t felt hatred?
Knowing both aspects of emotion, you’re able to be emotional. This is what Metal is about.
It’s the peculiar mix of negative and positive feelings that makes the music very special – and hard.
Metal lyrics are not always about massacres or carnage, they also deal with believe and peace, sometimes even with love. Many of the bands attach a great importance on their lyrics and its statement.
The lyrics deal with extreme situations and themes/topics, states of emotion and events which cannot be experienced this way in the daily life or real life. Therefore they reflect the wishes of the “trueness” and the “authentic”.
The lyrics of one band are different to the lyrics of another and vice versa. It’s like this in Metal just like on every other music scene.
For some bands merely the music is of utter importance and the lyrics are only an additional instrument. The first record of Obituary for instance contained no lyrics at all.
For some bands, lyrics have to be simply provocative and have to match the aggressive music.
Actually everyone of us possesses something like a desire for blood, desire of being violent. To live out this feeling you can write a song text, some other metalhead might listen to it and another plays violent videogames.
Just like films, comics and videogames with violent content, metal is also classified as a danger for youth. Mostly it is said that the violent topics of metal lyrics (as already mentioned) act negatively on/ and influence the psyche of the youth. Those accusations reach so far that metal music (or “listening to such kind of music) is made responsible for suicides of young people and several amok runs in schools. Bands such as Marilyn Manson or Slipknot were blamed for their negative influence several times already.
Especially in the 1960s people tended to mark Metal as stupefying, primitive noise, which would harm the morality of the listeners.
Though this attitude has vanished from the everyday thinking, it continues to exist in an over exaggerated cliché/stereotype for example in the MTV cartoon figures “Beavis and Butthead”.
At the beginning of metal music a myth of reversed recorded satanic messages, which were a content of the metal records, existed. Those messages were said to influence the listener unconsciously.
The actual existence of such message has not been proved until today, however many bands use this myth as a provocation and actually have/put reversed spoken verses of their records.
Metal lyrics are of violent content but whoever uses them as an excuse for his deeds hasn’t got an own opinion and can be influenced too easily. Who listens to metal consciously knows that the lyrics dealing with bloodbaths and so on are only fiction/fantasy.
To many people’s astonishment, there is only little actual violence within the metal scene on concerts or festivals, for instance if you consider the “Wacken Open Air” which is Europe’s biggest metal festival. There might be a little fight between two or three drunken metalheads, but it will definitely not end in a mass row like some people would expect.
Metal music is always connected to Satanism. But this form or any other form of the occult does not play an important role within the music. They are used in most cases merely as a provocation, even if most metalheads have a negative attitude toward the church.
Only in Black Metal some of the musicians deal seriously with the philosophy and religious Satanism (in their lyrics and so on.)
However media depicts the connection of metal to Satanism in an exaggerated way so that people are forced to think all metalheads worship Satan and denounce the church.
Truly, most of the listeners of metal are atheist but that doesn’t make them Satanists, does it?
There is one sub-genre of Black Metal knows as NSBM. Bands of this genre usually have lyrics with right winged contents.
But actually the majority of the metal scene denounced right winged radicalism.
Most NSBM bands and other politically extreme bands are not allowed to play on bigger festivals and are often not granted a record deal.
4. Metal connected to violence? Does Metal cause violence (especially to young listeners) or does it help to reduce aggressions?
You are just a single person in a huge crowd. People are waiting in front of the stage, waiting for the show to begin. It is a shoving, and pushing. Everybody is anxious, nobody knows for sure what will happen during the next 2 hours.
Then - The Intro. The crowd lets loose a huge cheer, people are vocalizing guttural sounds, just to express the feelings they have, because, the band that is playing right now, is one of their favourites.
Then, the music kicks in. People start pushing each other, trying to get some room to breath, to dance, someone falls down, gets picked up immediately, an rejoins the so called "slamdance". For the outsider, it might look like a huge fighting crowd, but from the inside, we are one, huge, family.
Hurting each other is not the goal, it is just about expressing the uttermost joy of being alive, celebrating the fact of just "being". Never, in all of those years, have I witnessed that someone actually tried to hurt another person during one of those concerts.
You say Pop music is very emotional because it deals with the topic of love and happiness. I say it’s wrong. Dealing only with positive aspects of emotion, doesn’t make you being emotional.
What do they say? “There’re always two sides of the story.”
Turn the page and look at the other side.
How can you enjoy happiness when you haven’t experienced sorrow? How can you know what love is when you haven’t felt hatred?
Knowing both aspects of emotion, you’re able to be emotional. This is what Metal is about.
It’s the peculiar mix of negative and positive feelings that makes the music very special – and hard.
Metal lyrics are not always about massacres or carnage, they also deal with believe and peace, sometimes even with love. Many of the bands attach a great importance on their lyrics and its statement.
The lyrics deal with extreme situations and themes/topics, states of emotion and events which cannot be experienced this way in the daily life or real life. Therefore they reflect the wishes of the “trueness” and the “authentic”.
The lyrics of one band are different to the lyrics of another and vice versa. It’s like this in Metal just like on every other music scene.
For some bands merely the music is of utter importance and the lyrics are only an additional instrument. The first record of Obituary for instance contained no lyrics at all.
For some bands, lyrics have to be simply provocative and have to match the aggressive music.
Actually everyone of us possesses something like a desire for blood, desire of being violent. To live out this feeling you can write a song text, some other metalhead might listen to it and another plays violent videogames.
Just like films, comics and videogames with violent content, metal is also classified as a danger for youth. Mostly it is said that the violent topics of metal lyrics (as already mentioned) act negatively on/ and influence the psyche of the youth. Those accusations reach so far that metal music (or “listening to such kind of music) is made responsible for suicides of young people and several amok runs in schools. Bands such as Marilyn Manson or Slipknot were blamed for their negative influence several times already.
Especially in the 1960s people tended to mark Metal as stupefying, primitive noise, which would harm the morality of the listeners.
Though this attitude has vanished from the everyday thinking, it continues to exist in an over exaggerated cliché/stereotype for example in the MTV cartoon figures “Beavis and Butthead”.
At the beginning of metal music a myth of reversed recorded satanic messages, which were a content of the metal records, existed. Those messages were said to influence the listener unconsciously.
The actual existence of such message has not been proved until today, however many bands use this myth as a provocation and actually have/put reversed spoken verses of their records.
Metal lyrics are of violent content but whoever uses them as an excuse for his deeds hasn’t got an own opinion and can be influenced too easily. Who listens to metal consciously knows that the lyrics dealing with bloodbaths and so on are only fiction/fantasy.
To many people’s astonishment, there is only little actual violence within the metal scene on concerts or festivals, for instance if you consider the “Wacken Open Air” which is Europe’s biggest metal festival. There might be a little fight between two or three drunken metalheads, but it will definitely not end in a mass row like some people would expect.
Metal music is always connected to Satanism. But this form or any other form of the occult does not play an important role within the music. They are used in most cases merely as a provocation, even if most metalheads have a negative attitude toward the church.
Only in Black Metal some of the musicians deal seriously with the philosophy and religious Satanism (in their lyrics and so on.)
However media depicts the connection of metal to Satanism in an exaggerated way so that people are forced to think all metalheads worship Satan and denounce the church.
Truly, most of the listeners of metal are atheist but that doesn’t make them Satanists, does it?
There is one sub-genre of Black Metal knows as NSBM. Bands of this genre usually have lyrics with right winged contents.
But actually the majority of the metal scene denounced right winged radicalism.
Most NSBM bands and other politically extreme bands are not allowed to play on bigger festivals and are often not granted a record deal.
METALPOPE667
W:O:A Metalmaster
METALPOPE667
W:O:A Metalmaster
Quark
Der Beste
Ich hätte bei dem "Gewalt" (schrijft dat zo?) immer noch die Unterschied gemacht zwischen den Hooligans und den Metalheads. Zum Beispiel des Polizisten aus Eindhoven (NL), möchte lieber bei Dynamo Open Air (damals das grösste Festival der Welt in der 90er Jahren) arbeiten statt bei 'nem Risikomatch. Damit die "society" sieht wie freundlich wir eigendlich sind.
Edit: Maar ik kom dan ook uit Nederland
Edit: Maar ik kom dan ook uit Nederland
Quark schrieb:Ich hätte bei dem "Gewalt" (schrijft dat zo?) immer noch die Unterschied gemacht zwischen den Hooligans und den Metalheads. Zum Beispiel des Polizisten aus Eindhoven (NL), möchte lieber bei Dynamo Open Air (damals das grösste Festival der Welt in der 90er Jahren) arbeiten statt bei 'nem Risikomatch. Damit die "society" sieht wie freundlich wir eigendlich sind.
Edit: Maar ik kom dan ook uit Nederland
jo! werde ich noch einarbeiten !!
maya
W:O:A Metalhead
du gibst auch nie auf,oder?den vorschlag hast du in diesem thread bestimmt schon drei mal gemachtQuark schrieb:
Fein, fein...
Stellenweise etwas holperig vom Sprachgebrauch und der Idiomatie, auch könnten einige Abschnitte etwas straffer bzw. übersichtlicher gestaltet werden, aber im großen und ganzen recht ordentlich! Manche Einwürfe von Bandnamen und/oder Beispielen sind ebenfalls ein wenig kurz geraten, so dass der Hörer leicht darüber hinweggehen könnte, ohne es richtig zu deuten oder zu verstehen... immerhin richtest du dich damit ja an Leute, die von der Materie NULL Ahnung haben. Lieber ausführlicher, ohne zu lange auszuschweifen, als 10 kurze Beispiele, die man im nächsten Satz schon wieder vergessen hat.
- end of constructive citiciscm
Stellenweise etwas holperig vom Sprachgebrauch und der Idiomatie, auch könnten einige Abschnitte etwas straffer bzw. übersichtlicher gestaltet werden, aber im großen und ganzen recht ordentlich! Manche Einwürfe von Bandnamen und/oder Beispielen sind ebenfalls ein wenig kurz geraten, so dass der Hörer leicht darüber hinweggehen könnte, ohne es richtig zu deuten oder zu verstehen... immerhin richtest du dich damit ja an Leute, die von der Materie NULL Ahnung haben. Lieber ausführlicher, ohne zu lange auszuschweifen, als 10 kurze Beispiele, die man im nächsten Satz schon wieder vergessen hat.
- end of constructive citiciscm
Kadatha
W:O:A Metalmaster
Ich finde auch, dass manche Passagen zu den davor nicht passen. Aber heute war eben nur übersetzen dran und ganz "toll" wollte ich es auch nicht machen, denn schließlich ist es ja für einen Grundkurs und der Lehrer würde ganz schön doof gucken, wenns auf bili-LK gemacht wäre You know what I mean.
You know what I mean.Lord Soth schrieb:Fein, fein...
Stellenweise etwas holperig vom Sprachgebrauch und der Idiomatie, auch könnten einige Abschnitte etwas straffer bzw. übersichtlicher gestaltet werden, aber im großen und ganzen recht ordentlich! Manche Einwürfe von Bandnamen und/oder Beispielen sind ebenfalls ein wenig kurz geraten, so dass der Hörer leicht darüber hinweggehen könnte, ohne es richtig zu deuten oder zu verstehen... immerhin richtest du dich damit ja an Leute, die von der Materie NULL Ahnung haben. Lieber ausführlicher, ohne zu lange auszuschweifen, als 10 kurze Beispiele, die man im nächsten Satz schon wieder vergessen hat.
- end of constructive citiciscm
is ja auch erschtma die vorläufige version.
haben heute erstmal übersetzt der feinschliff kommt noch
wollte euch schon mal nen vorgeschmack geben
Bluudy schrieb:is ja auch erschtma die vorläufige version.
haben heute erstmal übersetzt der feinschliff kommt noch
wollte euch schon mal nen vorgeschmack geben
You axed for it!
*schleifpapiergeb*
Ich bin sicher, dat wird gut! Also ne 2 sollte da durchaus drinsein... vielleicht auch mehr, mal sehn, wie der Lehrer drauf is, nech!?