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[Astrum]

seriously man

Epic fail

 

[Lord Soth]

The photo reminds me of this one...

(c) finlandiavodka

Some stupid guy at a pure thrash metal festival some weeks ago...

Supa Ritschie!

No, THIS is an...

EPIC FAIL

 

[Astrum]

Positive thing is, we'll never meet in front of the stage ..

..
No secret that those bands suck - old discussion. I'm shocked about the importance they get nowadays. The boarders between real dm and your crappy shit seem to blur more and more. Thats the real tragedy in metal today - waste of time discussing pros and cons with such losers of taste like you. Quite a surprise that you know about suffocation.


The pic below, so right!

OMG, you are so cute and funny. You are surprised that I know about Suffocation, oh oh oh! Fuck, I was probably headbanging to "Effigy of the forgotten" while you was still wearing you diapers. The difference between you and me is that I don't sort music by "true" and "not true" - I passed this when I was 16-17 years old. I sort my music by two definitions: good music and crappy music. And guess what - I don't give a fuck about others people opinion regarding my taste.

 

[Lord Soth]

... The difference between you is that I don't sort music by "true" and "not true" - I passed this when I was 16-17 years old. I sort my music by two definitions: good music and crappy music. And guess what - I don't give a fuck about others people opinion regarding my taste.

/sign

 

[Guallamalla]

And this Year? Jeah we have Amon Amarth....first to say is that they play EVERYWHERE!!!
And they are Death Metal? lol! Okay..they play death metal...but for kids!
The riffs are softer than parts of Power Metal Bands , and this shall be Death?!? hahaha compare this to Obituary , Cannibal Corpse or something other...you will see - its Death Metal for the Viking/Pagan Kids , cause of the Lyrics and the softer (but for them harder) riffing.

In my opinion AA are NOT death Metal , they are viking metal ok - but this ends in a senseless discussion of Genres - Stop here!

Johan Hegg: We play Death Metal. We write about Vikings so therefor some refer us to Viking metal, but I have no idea what that is. I can't imagine the Viking’s veer into metal at all except on the swords and stuff. And musically, I guess they only played these strange lip instruments and some bongos or whatever.
Sauce

Round 1: FIGHT!!!

 

[Sinus 30]

OMG, you are so cute and funny. You are surprised that I know about Suffocation, oh oh oh! Fuck, I was probably headbanging to "Effigy of the forgotten" while you was still wearing you diapers. The difference between you and me is that I don't sort music by "true" and "not true" - I passed this when I was 16-17 years old. I sort my music by two definitions: good music and crappy music. And guess what - I don't give a fuck about others people opinion regarding my taste.

I'm from Hamburg and I was by guess 17 when Helloween released their first Keeper of the Seven Keys. By now Wacken 09 is my eleventh festival. So you should find out first with whom you treatin. And don't rank me among those idiots always talking about "true" - whatever. I agree with what you said about definitions.
Well, we seem to be quite the same age, so the more I wonder you give space to such influences like deathcore like jfac. I think people like you are responsible for the fact we have such overboarding hardcore/deathcore/metalcore/shit influences over the last years. If I look back to 2002, there was just heavy stuff and some death and black. This is what wacken should have stayed. So I'm not criticisin your taste, I'm criticisin your lack of self-awareness and what people like you established in wacken. You are an older one - you should know better!

 

[Astrum]

Well, we seem to be quite the same age, so the more I wonder you give space to such influences like deathcore like jfac.

If we a talking specifically about JFAC - their first album was indeed deathcore, but second one - 100% brutal death metal. On their own words from one interview: "We played deathcore in the first one in order to get signed up by some label, coz this is the most popular style rigth now. Once we were signed we were finally able to play music we like - old school brutal death".
Regarding the whole deathcore genre - as I wrote already in another topic, music is evolving. I pretty sure that back in 1989 when some heavy metal fan heard "Effigy of the forgotten" he thought "What is this crap? This isn't REAL metal, but some new poser wanna be false shit." I'm just open minded regarding music. For example All Shall Perish are freakin' talented band and they play deathcore. On the other hand there is such talentless crap as BMTH and unfortunately they play at Wacken this year. As in every genre there are good bands and crappy bands.
BTW, can you explain your hostility towards metalcroe or deathcore? I do not comprehend "true/not true" parameters. If guys know how to manage their instruments and writing awesome riffs - what exactly is the problem. On one thing I can agree - WTFuking deal with gay outfit and retarded haircuts?

I think people like you are responsible for the fact we have such overboarding hardcore/deathcore/metalcore/shit influences over the last years.

Once again - metalcore and deathcore are new metal genres. Hardcore - one of the oldest, it evolved from punk in early 80's. How can you compare such different stuff? Don't you listen to Sick of It All, Biohazard or Madball? This is old school.

 

[Sinus 30]

Regarding the whole deathcore genre - as I wrote already in another topic, music is evolving. I pretty sure that back in 1989 when some heavy metal fan heard "Effigy of the forgotten" he thought "What is this crap? This isn't REAL metal, but some new poser wanna be false shit." I'm just open minded regarding music. For example All Shall Perish are freakin' talented band and they play deathcore. On the other hand there is such talentless crap as BMTH and unfortunately they play at Wacken this year. As in every genre there are good bands and crappy bands.
BTW, can you explain your hostility towards metalcroe or deathcore? I do not comprehend "true/not true" parameters. If guys know how to manage their instruments and writing awesome riffs - what exactly is the problem. On one thing I can agree - WTFuking deal with gay outfit and retarded haircuts?

I actually don't have a problem with gay attitudes in metal in general. I appreciate manson, although he is even a "teeniestar". maybe I make out some deeper wisdom in his words and his behaviour towards social events etc.
But I don't expect everyone feel like that. I'm not a fascist of taste. But after all I don't think he should play in wacken - it didn't blend well..
But to refer to "metal", I like real artists. To me playing an instrument professionally is just half way there. You need performance, expression, maturity, dignity and maybe something irreal as an aura. It should be overwhelming art, leading to distinguished percipiences.
For example Hypocrisy - the greatest deathmetal act i've ever seen - has it all. I've never seen a metalcore, deathcore band which convinced me because of their appearance. And back in the early 90ties - Many of the newcomers had these qualities.
Metalcore and Deathcore in my opinion is music by young frustrated teenagers, without an idea of aesthetics. Mainly the vox are disappointingly weak and sound like little wimps. Do they know about dignity?!
Jfac is a band - I admit - haven't seen live. But isn't it a tragedy that you have to feign to get remarked?
Maybe I wouldn't have a problem with mc/dc if it would be a less regarded subgenre. But a whole generation (with several exception) lifes for it. Thats amazingly frustrating. So I do not accept this kind of change in musical development. Maybe I'm conservative. But we are talking about wacken. It should have stayed pure.

Some words to Hardcore: Right, hc is exceptable and some of the bands you mentioned are worth it. Sick of it all is absolutely remarkable. Hardcore has an older tradition and some acts should always play in wacken, but it shouldn't be too much, since wacken just needs black, death & heavy.

 

[_Pete_]

Some words to Hardcore: Right, hc is exceptable and some of the bands you mentioned are worth it. Sick of it all is absolutely remarkable. Hardcore has an older tradition and some acts should always play in wacken, but it shouldn't be too much, since wacken just needs black, death & heavy.

and thrash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Astrum]

But I don't expect everyone feel like that. I'm not a fascist of taste. But after all I don't think he should play in wacken - it didn't blend well..
But to refer to "metal", I like real artists. To me playing an instrument professionally is just half way there. You need performance, expression, maturity, dignity and maybe something irreal as an aura. It should be overwhelming art, leading to distinguished percipiences.

Last year As I Lay Dying gave an outstanding performance - I was fucking amazed. And they play metalcore (although last album it's barely metalcore, but melodic death). Really, it was a performance full of power, dynamics and full metal force.

For example Hypocrisy - the greatest deathmetal act i've ever seen - has it all.

They - no doubt, kick major ass. Too bad this year we have this pop-metal crap Pain instead of the real thing.

Metalcore and Deathcore in my opinion is music by young frustrated teenagers, without an idea of aesthetics.

If it's true - those genres will disappear in couple of years, like it happened with nu-metal just couple of years ago. Let's say 90% of the DC/MC bands will disappear, but 10% will remain keeping on creating good music.

Mainly the vox are disappointingly weak and sound like little wimps.

R u kiddin' me? Maybe in metalcore, but in deathcore it's mainly very deep gutted growling. An example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttn1otpx7zA

some acts should always play in wacken, but it shouldn't be too much, since wacken just needs black, death & heavy.

As you can see - every Wacken we have 1-2 HC bands, nothing more, so I don't see problem here. Last year it were Hatebreed, this year - WAJ.
And if we'lln have only death, black and heavy metal at Wacken it will be very narrow minded fest. So no thrash, doom, speed, industrial, viking, folk, groove?

 

[Sinus 30]

As you can see - every Wacken we have 1-2 HC bands, nothing more, so I don't see problem here. Last year it were Hatebreed, this year - WAJ.
And if we'lln have only death, black and heavy metal at Wacken it will be very narrow minded fest. So no thrash, doom, speed, industrial, viking, folk, groove?

Yes okay, thrash should be mentioned, but I feel like doom, speed, power is in a way heavy. industrial in a way a mix between heavy and death. so are viking and folk. groove is like thrash. So you have the four: heavy, death, thrash and black. thats my way of stereotyped thinking.
I wouldn't have a problem with hc, as long as it's the only so called "core"- genre in wacken. Maybe I always get shivers down my spine hearin the word "core". So I'm also a bit sorry for too rough words in here. I know I can be a bit offending. Sorry for that!

 

[Astrum]

I feel like doom is in a way heavy.

My Dying Bride is in a way Iron Maden?

industrial in a way a mix between heavy and death.

Let's take Fear Factory and Ministry... death? Maybe just a little bit. Heavy? Not even close.

I wouldn't have a problem with hc, as long as it's the only so called "core"- genre in wacken.

So no grindCORE? So Napalm Death shouldn't be at Wacken? That's sad.

 

[Sinus 30]

Well, I still don't have a problem with calling every metal band a heavy metal band.
I still refuse to die the genre-death

 

[Lord Soth]

Time to quote myself again...*sighs*

Boah, leute... ihr geht mir so auf'n Sack!

Entweder es ist HEAVY METAL und rockt, oder es is für'n Arsch!

Scheiß auf Schubladen und Gedöns... und auf Streitereien bzgl. derselben.



@alle:

PULLE ---> KOPP

Und nu is Ruhe. Mann! Hört ihr MUSIK oder schreibt ihr vor jedem Konzert/Festival erst ne Doktorarbeit über die jeweilige korrekte Stilrichtung der Bands, die ihr sehn wollt und mögt, um dann in der ersten Reihe über musikalische Fachtermini zu palavern, anstatt euch die Bands anzugucken und ordentlich zu moshen, bangen, saufen, Spaß zu haben?

Fuck these stupid discussions about Thiscore, Thatcore, Nocore, Metal, Nometal, Whatsoever....*argh*

Either a band is good and you like it, or it's not and you don't. That way you either share this opinion with some (or many) others or you don't.

Metal (also) means giving a shit about musical tastes of others and doing YOUR own thing, not about following trends, opinions or musical tastes of others because THEY SAY SO!

Darn... I only listen to Metal. Simple as that. If I like a band, I personally declare it METAL for me. If I don't like a band, I just do not listen to them because I think they suck. But also I don't care for bands I don't dig, or indulge heavily in unnescessary discussions about styles.

Fuck! In the end, it's all just METAL!

 

[Sinus 30]

Time to quote myself again...*sighs*




Fuck these stupid discussions about Thiscore, Thatcore, Nocore, Metal, Nometal, Whatsoever....*argh*

Either a band is good and you like it, or it's not and you don't. That way you either share this opinion with some (or many) others or you don't.

Metal (also) means giving a shit about musical tastes of others and doing YOUR own thing, not about following trends, opinions or musical tastes of others because THEY SAY SO!

Darn... I only listen to Metal. Simple as that. If I like a band, I personally declare it METAL for me. If I don't like a band, I just do not listen to them because I think they suck. But also I don't care for bands I don't dig, or indulge heavily in unnescessary discussions about styles.

Fuck! In the end, it's all just METAL!

Sorry, but thats too simple. In general I agree with you, but several things need to be discussed. Styles exist - more or less. And some styles shouldn`t exist in relation to quality of metal in general. So I think creating a dissertation is a wrong term. And metalisn't an easy stuff!