Make your own Bush speech

[gnoff]

Re: Shame!

Originally posted by metal slut
Before you attempt to espouse some feeble pacifist wisdom, consider this scenario: your mother, father, brothers and sisters, children, friends, and neighbors have just been murdered. Why? Because they choose to believe in Christ instead of Mohammed, or no one at all. Sounds rediculous, but THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED!! NOW-- What would you do?

That would be terrible indeed.
Anyone that get murdered is a terrible thing.
But if some crazy mother does this, should the entire country that this person came from be punished?
Should all that believe in the religon of Islam be killed?

I piss on jesus and god, should I die as well?

And what did Iraq have to do with September 11?

 

[djae]

Some points for Metal Slut to chew on:

There have only ever been two uses of atomic bombs in anger in the history of mankind. Which nation was responsible for both? The US. The vast majority of those who died in the Hiroshima/Nagasaki attacks were civilians.

The US is the only nation ever to have been tried and found guilty of terrorism. I forget the exact circumstances that lead to this, though...

Attacking Afghanistan is not attacking the terrorists. Afghanistan is not a terrorist state, as far as I am aware. True, the Taliban rule there was not particularly good for the country's citizens or its economy, and was a blatant affront to human rights, but it's strange how no country ever tried to stop this until a terrorist attack which has still not conclusively been proved to be connected with Al Qaeda or Osama Bin Laden in any way.

I'm not saying that the perpetrators of the attack were in any way in the right, I certainly didn't laugh when it happened, after all, thousands of human beings lost their lives in the attack.

But many thousands more Afghani civilians have been killed in the 15 months since then in the war in Afghanistan by US forces.

 

[Lord Horb]

Re: Re: A message to Saddam, and every Muslim in the world:

Originally posted by Sodomy&Lust
I can understand your anger, after all your country has never killed any innocent civilians, inside or outside your nation.

not quite right, my Spanish brother.
just read what djae posted... hint: Hiroshima!

 

[gnoff]

Re: Re: Re: A message to Saddam, and every Muslim in the world:

Originally posted by Lord Horb
not quite right, my Spanish brother.
just read what djae posted... hint: Hiroshima!

My guess is that S&L were being ironic, since the US has quite often killed a large number of civilians.

 

[Lord Horb]

ehm yeah, highly possible too lol

 

[monochrom]

Re: Shame!

Originally posted by metal slut
Your comments suggest that you are not up on your current affairs! Are you not aware that thousands lost their lives here on September 11th, 2001? These were normal working people. Innocent human beings who did nothing to deserve what they got. So if my tone offends you, then your surprise with it offends me!

Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Angola, Nigeria (Well, it was not your country but your oil firms), Grenada, Panama, Cuba, Colombia, Nicaragua, El Salvador ...(This is the one-minute list, where I don't have to think)
Yohoo, no civilians in these countries!

But it also saddens me. Are you really that devoid of compassion for your fellow countrymen? Are saying you wouldn't harbor the same rage that I have for these terrorists if the events of 9/11 took place in your hometown? Now that's shocking.

Every person with a mind hates terrorism - the problem is, you can do intelligent things - or you can be Bush and attack Iraq.

My stance, as with that of President Bush, is a valid, sensible reaction to having been ambushed by bloodthirsty religious zealots who attacked US civilians on US soil.

Your stance, at least, is devoid of any intelligence.

You have no right to suggest that we as Americans lack justification for our aggressive actions against the terror network. To do nothing would only send a clear message that the 9/11 attackers were justified in committing their atrocities, and that we are willing to sit idly by and wait for the next batch of murderers to show up on our doorstep, neither of which is the case.

YES, but what about reacting in a smart way? ah, no, let's blast some ass, it is no atrocity when the self-proclaimed good-guy commits it.

Before you attempt to espouse some feeble pacifist wisdom, consider this scenario: your mother, father, brothers and sisters, children, friends, and neighbors have just been murdered. Why? Because they choose to believe in Christ instead of Mohammed, or no one at all. Sounds rediculous, but THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED!! NOW-- What would you do?

If you think that is why Al-Quaida exists - then you are just like them. Narrow minded people with no knowledge of the world.

Be honest. If you have a heart, a mind, and any shred of a human soul, you would want to do the same thing.

Wouldn't you?

Bomb some people in Iraq? Yup, brilliant, that really shows heart, mind, soul. Actually what it really shows is ignorance, arrogance and stupidity - so I'm going with Sodomy: Fuck off you moron.

 

[gnoff]

Originally posted by Sodomy&Lust
Today's is 28th of December.

@metal "fucking" slut, I hope all the shit you've posted today is nothing but a joke.......

@S/L
first of all, just quoting you on the joke part, the rest is for the moron...

@metal slut
I think one thing is sad though, that the person writing all this don't even use a real nick name...

I don't believe something like this can be considered a joke, the person writing these stupid things as metal slut sounds like a right wing christian amerikan that lives in the forrest with his/her guns and waiting for the world to come to an end...

If you do believe that all this is true, why not use a non fake nick name, then at least I now to avoid you if you ever do go to Wacken...

 

[karlsquell]

the thing what happened at 11. of september is a real sad one, what could happen anywhere, and off course everyone is afraid of that. so the strike against the taliban in afghanistan might have been correct. but the strike against iraq america´s going to do ist NOT a fight against terrorrism. IT IS A FIGHT FOR OIL AND MONEY. thats all what the war is for. just open your eyes.

@ metal slut: nazi-germany made a real big mistake and a real bad thing was killing millions(!) of jews. but at least gemany lost this war. what would be now if gemany had won that fucking war? i dont wanna know. you? i dont think so... and not ervery german at that time was a nazi, they would have been killed by the german forces, if they hadn´t fought for hitler... maybe you should read some books about german history about that time.
and take a look at your country. i think there are more crimes caused by fascism and rascism than in germany at this time.

@ metal slut: stop supporting the war machine bush. every war is a bad and mad thing. but it seems to me that is the only language that man speaks. -greetz-

 

[LooseCannon]

All valid points.What about the treaty that Saddam signed after Desert Storm that he repeataly violated?He lied to the UN inspectors &/or kicked them out.

 

[monochrom]

Originally posted by LooseCannon
All valid points.What about the treaty that Saddam signed after Desert Storm that he repeataly violated?He lied to the UN inspectors &/or kicked them out.

Yes - and the UN had nothing better to do than let Iraq export oil again. With the support of the States. Not a good way to get rid of that murderer in Baghdad. We also easily tend to forget that the inspectors never had good financial support - now that they are finally getting sincere again, wow, take a look at the amount of inspectors (and the support they get). Should have happened some years ago, I guess.

I am very much on the side of everyone opposing dictatorships - the point is, the US are fighting a war against SOME terrorists. They make good business with the others. Why not attack Saudi-Arabia? Why don't we invade Venezuela? How about dropping a few bombs on Liberia? The Maledives, a fucking oppressive m,uslim fundamentalist system, but we go on holiday there. Should the french attack Algeria? Why don't they?

So, yes, states violate UN treaties. They do it blatantly and repeatedly - hey, old man Mugabe (The dictator, not the forumler, excuse the pun) does it every month, we don't invade Zimbabwe. What you do is, you isolate these countries. Not much good comes from that - but if bombing countries is the alternative, I'm all for isolating.

On the side: I come from a family that always loved the US. Many times I've been to that country, I'v friends over there, my father built up businesses in the US - it's so very sad to listen to the crap CNN is broadcasting. I know there are loads of intelligent, open-minded people over there - where is their voice? We need them now.

 

[Sodomy&Lust]

Originally posted by Lord Horb
ehm yeah, highly possible too lol

nice that you noticed it!

 

[Warthog]

Ok, maybe I'm chiming in a little late here...but metal slut is spouting off the same "war against terrorism to defend our freedom" bullshit that the American media has thrown in our face every day since last September. It's getting old...but I guess I'm the only one who thinks so.

In times of crisis, a nation needs a great leader. Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln, etc. And it's our pathetic luck that we're stuck with the wimpiest president since James Buchanan (the man whose political bungling helped bring on the Civil War).

I love my country, but that doesn't mean I have to love my government, or what it's forcing my countrymen to do. And that means I'm all that much more insulted by those who commit crimes and atrocities in the name of the USA. If anything, having an idiot an the helm is the worst insult of all.

Oh yes, and bombing an entire nation to hell and back is a PERFECTLY sensible reaction to the tragedy of 9/11! Bull fucking shit! Kill the criminals, not the people who happen to live around them!

On a side note - metal slut, do you really think that any German younger than 80 can be held accountable for the crimes of the Third Reich? (and do you really think you're going to win any friends on a board where 80% of the posters are Deutschen?) Makes about as much sense as holding every living American responsible for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or giving shit to Jimmy Bob from Alabama just because his great-great-great-great-grandpappy held slaves on his plantation. "The sins of the father are not those of the son."

 

[konstrukt]

A few words.

George Bush and George W. Bush both want to get Saddam. But the thing is that everyone who was involved in the 1st gulf war, including Colin Powell, are all against it. Basically what W is doing is using the terrorist attack to justify pursuing any policy he wants, and if you disagree with him, then of course you support terrorism.

Its sad, since Its true that the Iraqis, Iranians and North Koreans all got together and became this "Axis of Evil" I wonder if Darth Vader will lead them. Just conjuring up Nazi imagery, like saying that Saddam is a Hitler or that they are an "Axis" of anything is just another way of using emotions to sway opinion when you have no idea what you are trying to do. Like what GW did this week, saying that if the Iraqis attack first, it will cripple the american economy. With what will they attack?

And how was the peace kept throughout 45 years of the Cold War? Detereence. The knowledge that if you attack, you will suffer much much more than you can ever inflict. Why will this suddenly not work with Saddam? Whenever he was told if he does something he will pay, he never did it. Why did he allow the inspectors back into Iraq? To survive! But suddenly this will not work. I'm sorry, but I don't see why.

Also... Hiroshima. Invoking Hiroshima against the US, is the same as using the Nazis against Germany today. The US used the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (horrible situation, but then the whole war was horrible) to end the war. They knew that the japanese would fight till the bitter end, and that an invasion of the home islands would cost maybe a million lives.

And another thing that shows that they were right. after Hiroshima, the Japanese made NO MOVE to surrender. Only after Nagasaki, and even then Hideki Tojo tried to kill the emperor in order to continue the war. Also, most Japanese were more sad that Japan had surrendered than the destruction of the 2 cities.