175k till WOA 2011 :)

[xforeverxmetalx]

Are we?

Well, suppose you've got a gun, you're mugged or whatever. Do you really think you stand a chance to someone who's used working with a gun, where you are a 'newbie' in that? You're 2x too late, thus dead.

Here you don't stand a chance, OK, but then again, less possibilities to get one, plus it is therefore more difficult to 'practice' with them. (all well documented at 3 to 4 different places etc)

It's not because it's in your Constitution that it's better to have a gun. It's more risky.

Silly Americans.

Most people who attack you don't want to kill you, they just want money (or rape). And if they do want to kill you, and they've got a gun, you're screwed anyway whether you've got one or not.

And guns will never vanish - you'd just have only criminals getting them illegally, leaving the law-abiding citizens completely defenseless.

They work better as a deterrant anyway... would you rob a house you know is armed? Or even that might be? Even if you've got a gun yourself? Some might, but if the bad guys know you won't have one, guess what, your TV's gone.

And if the founders of our country didn't think guns were a good idea, why would they have put it in the Constitution? It doesn't mean that it's better for people to have one, it means that it's better for people to be able to have one.

In the end though I think it's about limiting the government's power. We want the government to fear the people, not the other way around. If citizens have guns, it acts as protection from potential tyrants and such.

Sure, they're dangerous, and they should be careful to make sure that only people who know how to use them and know how to use them safely can have them. If they do that, there's little danger.

Personally I don't have one, and neither does my family. I don't expect to get one either (that could change, dunno). I always thought it would be cool to have a sword instead.

So yes, silly Europeans.

 

[xforeverxmetalx]

In other news, the show tonight was fun.

Obscura and Septicflesh both really impressed me. I don't normally like death metal, but these guys did it right.

Devin Townsend... dunno what it was, but I just couldn't get into him. Maybe I just needed a break. The crowd loved him though.

Children of Bodom were about as expected. A few new songs mixed in with the classics. Lots of fun.

 

[xforeverxmetalx]

I'm going to have a horrible bangover though. The place was packed. I had to go through the moshpit to get up decently close enough. And so I was on the edge of it pretty much the whole time. Moshed a small amount besides that. So not only will my neck ache from headbanging, but I'll probably discover a few bruises tomorrow.

That's not evene the worst of it though. This one guy during Septicflesh fell, right into my leg. Hard. I had to stand on one leg for a little while. Managed to deal with it alright though so it didn't ruin the show. There's a bunch of red marks on it, plus it's swollen. Still hurts to walk - hopefully I'll be able to walk at all tomorrow.

 

[xforeverxmetalx]

But I'll live. Definitely worth it.

*maps*

 

[xforeverxmetalx]

I found my sister on the couch upstairs trying to sleep. Why?

"There's a spider in my room."
"That's all?"
"It's BIG."

 

[Quark]

Most people who attack you don't want to kill you, they just want money (or rape). And if they do want to kill you, and they've got a gun, you're screwed anyway whether you've got one or not.

The reflection (as a mugger(?)) to use it is bigger, you have a bigger risk of ending up dead (or wounded), thus more triggerhappy.

And guns will never vanish - you'd just have only criminals getting them illegally, leaving the law-abiding citizens completely defenseless.

True, they won't vanish. Nevertheless it's more difficult to get them.
E.g. no guns at a bank, when opening an account or something (happened in one US state, don't know where anymore)

They work better as a deterrant anyway... would you rob a house you know is armed? Or even that might be? Even if you've got a gun yourself? Some might, but if the bad guys know you won't have one, guess what, your TV's gone.

How does one know if you own one or not? It's not written on your forehead or anything, is it?
Like I said before, more triggerhappy people as one never knows how one'll end up.

And if the founders of our country didn't think guns were a good idea, why would they have put it in the Constitution? It doesn't mean that it's better for people to have one, it means that it's better for people to be able to have one.

That's a point I will NOT debate. That was up to the founders. They made that decision! We just have to respect that. Doesn't mean it's good or bad!

In the end though I think it's about limiting the government's power. We want the government to fear the people, not the other way around. If citizens have guns, it acts as protection from potential tyrants and such.

Say what?
Sorry, why do we (here as well) have ARMIES???? To protect the state and its inhabitants from any threats in- and outside the state!

Sure, they're dangerous, and they should be careful to make sure that only people who know how to use them and know how to use them safely can have them. If they do that, there's little danger.

And how do you check that out? (See previous example with the bank)
I don't know, so can't tell here.

Personally I don't have one, and neither does my family. I don't expect to get one either (that could change, dunno). I always thought it would be cool to have a sword instead.

Good thing.

And the sword...

So yes, silly Europeans.

Silly Americans

 

[Sipyloidea]

Most people who attack you don't want to kill you, they just want money (or rape). And if they do want to kill you, and they've got a gun, you're screwed anyway whether you've got one or not.

And guns will never vanish - you'd just have only criminals getting them illegally, leaving the law-abiding citizens completely defenseless.

They work better as a deterrant anyway... would you rob a house you know is armed? Or even that might be? Even if you've got a gun yourself? Some might, but if the bad guys know you won't have one, guess what, your TV's gone.

And if the founders of our country didn't think guns were a good idea, why would they have put it in the Constitution? It doesn't mean that it's better for people to have one, it means that it's better for people to be able to have one.

In the end though I think it's about limiting the government's power. We want the government to fear the people, not the other way around. If citizens have guns, it acts as protection from potential tyrants and such.

Sure, they're dangerous, and they should be careful to make sure that only people who know how to use them and know how to use them safely can have them. If they do that, there's little danger.

Personally I don't have one, and neither does my family. I don't expect to get one either (that could change, dunno). I always thought it would be cool to have a sword instead.

So yes, silly Europeans.

Well the constitution was founded like 200 years ago, societies change. I'd say more about this, but I kinda don't have the time right now

 

[Sipyloidea]

I made over 500kms to pick up my kids from their holiday. All by car, no fun for me either.

Finally got home.

The part of Spanish history I gotta know for the exams consists of the years 1.500 a.Ch. to 1980. Really great how this couldn't be more specific.. really no fun -.-

 

[Quark]

The part of Spanish history I gotta know for the exams consists of the years 1.500 a.Ch. to 1980. Really great how this couldn't be more specific.. really no fun -.-

OMG!!!

To my (humble) opinion, that's a way too much over the top.
I can imagine you don't like that.

Tjonge... *schrik*

 

[Sipyloidea]

OMG!!!

To my (humble) opinion, that's a way too much over the top.
I can imagine you don't like that.

Tjonge... *schrik*

Since it's not even the only thing. There's also Spanish festivals, media and the government..

 

[Sipyloidea]

Woohoo, finally done reading all the chapters and writing down what I need to know for my exam. Came down with "only" 5 pages of notes. Now I only gotta study those notes 'til I know them off pat, since I can't take them to the exam

 

[Quark]

Since it's not even the only thing. There's also Spanish festivals, media and the government..

The system you mean (government)?
What about festivals? What do I think about then? The bull racing in Pamplona e.g.?

The media shouldn't be too difficult, But that's a question of what they want you to do.

 

[Quark]

Woohoo, finally done reading all the chapters and writing down what I need to know for my exam. Came down with "only" 5 pages of notes. Now I only gotta study those notes 'til I know them off pat, since I can't take them to the exam

Hals- und Beinbruch oder so.
Ich drück dir die Daumen.

 

[xforeverxmetalx]

The reflection (as a mugger(?)) to use it is bigger, you have a bigger risk of ending up dead (or wounded), thus more triggerhappy.

Not necessarily. If you pulled out a gun, they could instead start running. And either way, even if it does, those situations happen too rarely to justify the other benefits of having guns.

True, they won't vanish. Nevertheless it's more difficult to get them.
E.g. no guns at a bank, when opening an account or something (happened in one US state, don't know where anymore)

Well, criminals are going to get them either way. So you'd still have them robbing banks and such. I don't think that would change at all. It's like pot (in the other thread ). Anyone, in the US at least, who wants some, knows where to get it. The law might stop it from being widespread and easy, but it's never going to be difficult enough to prevent gun-related crime.

How does one know if you own one or not? It's not written on your forehead or anything, is it?
Like I said before, more triggerhappy people as one never knows how one'll end up.

No, they don't know. But on average, about 40-45% of households have a gun. Would you be so willing to rob a house with such a high probability they'll have a gun? And risk them killing you?

Say what?
Sorry, why do we (here as well) have ARMIES???? To protect the state and its inhabitants from any threats in- and outside the state!

Well, yea. But what if the government itself gets out of control? The president is the commander of the army, they're part of the government basically. So if the government turns into a bunch of tyrants, our army will be useless - actually, it'd probably be against us. That's what I mean. If we got ourselves into a situation like that and didn't have guns of our own, we'd be completely screwed.

And how do you check that out? (See previous example with the bank)
I don't know, so can't tell here.

I'm not sure exactly how it works since I've never gone through the process of getting one. But it varies by state. I think in GA, they run background checks to make sure you're not insane or have a criminal record.

Well the constitution was founded like 200 years ago, societies change. I'd say more about this, but I kinda don't have the time right now

It does, and so we amend it from time to time. But that doesn't mean everything on it is completely outdated. In this case, I believe it applies just the same as it did so long ago.

 

[Sipyloidea]

The system you mean (government)?
What about festivals? What do I think about then? The bull racing in Pamplona e.g.?

The media shouldn't be too difficult, But that's a question of what they want you to do.

yea, the system. And also yea like that bull racing. Though they've like thousand festivals. Plus all the Christian holidays like Christmas etc. They have a really different way of celebrating it

I'm not going to do the media. It's too much, I just wanna be acurate on what I've learned so far so from now on it's just repitition