50,000 before W:O:A 2009!

[bumpzilla]

if we completely stopped using oil, coal and gas right now

instead started using hydrogen based fuels, wind, solar and water power

everything would get better in the long run, though we've build up a "guilt" that will keep going up a while still

biggest problem I think is that all industrial countries would need to start using less energy than they currently are, that's not something you change in a year or two

it would probably take about 10 to 15 years or so, and for the bigger countries maybe 15 to 30, even if it takes that long, im sure it would still help out. but nobody would want to change anything that will take that long to fix.

 

[gnoff]

exactly, all we can do now is start conserving like mad and hope it helps.

me and my wife have started doing our part, such as:

sold the car, always use busses, trams and such instead (public tranports)

use trains instead of planes when possible

turn off electrical stuff when we don't use it

don't use power saving modes

recycle what we can

and so on

 

[xforeverxmetalx]

it would probably take about 10 to 15 years or so, and for the bigger countries maybe 15 to 30, even if it takes that long, im sure it would still help out. but nobody would want to change anything that will take that long to fix.

some people will. and they'll have to, otherwise we're all doomed

 

[gnoff]

it would probably take about 10 to 15 years or so, and for the bigger countries maybe 15 to 30, even if it takes that long, im sure it would still help out. but nobody would want to change anything that will take that long to fix.

sad thing is in Sweden, in 1984 the poeple voted that we would shut down all our nuclear power in 2010.

But nothing, absolutely nothing, was done in the way of reserching new power sources.

Nothing was done to get people to use less enegry,instead we're using more than ever.

Now they are shutting the stuff down, but we need the energy, so we buy coal power from Denmark and Poland, as well as nuclear power from Finland

it's messed up

 

[xforeverxmetalx]

me and my wife have started doing our part, such as:

sold the car, always use busses, trams and such instead (public tranports)

use trains instead of planes when possible

turn off electrical stuff when we don't use it

don't use power saving modes

recycle what we can

and so on

awesomeness. yea i try to do what i can...
although over here, you kinda need a car to get around, there's not public transportation like there is in europe.

 

[gnoff]

so will we



somehow i think the military won't cooperate...
especially the ones in iraq right now

lets hope so

 

[gnoff]

awesomeness. yea i try to do what i can...
although over here, you kinda need a car to get around, there's not public transportation like there is in europe.

very true
one more point why Mr Bush should react and try to get something happening.

Like I said yeasterday, gas here is twice what you pay
Some people are forced to sell their cars by now, too expensive to use them

 

[xforeverxmetalx]

sad thing is in Sweden, in 1984 the poeple voted that we would shut down all our nuclear power in 2010.

But nothing, absolutely nothing, was done in the way of reserching new power sources.

Nothing was done to get people to use less enegry,instead we're using more than ever.

Now they are shutting the stuff down, but we need the energy, so we buy coal power from Denmark and Poland, as well as nuclear power from Finland

it's messed up

it is.
it's one thing to plan out ways to conserve energy... but if you don't do anything about it, you can't expect things to get better on their own...
i think too many people do that.

 

[gnoff]

damn, I turned this thread into a political environmental friendly thing

what ever happend to good old

*beer*

??

 

[bumpzilla]

sad thing is in Sweden, in 1984 the poeple voted that we would shut down all our nuclear power in 2010.

But nothing, absolutely nothing, was done in the way of reserching new power sources.

Nothing was done to get people to use less enegry,instead we're using more than ever.

Now they are shutting the stuff down, but we need the energy, so we buy coal power from Denmark and Poland, as well as nuclear power from Finland

it's messed up

man, what are they going to do when 2010 comes around???

 

[gnoff]

it is.
it's one thing to plan out ways to conserve energy... but if you don't do anything about it, you can't expect things to get better on their own...
i think too many people do that.

yup

the way I see it it's bette rto keep the nuclear power for now and really invest in better power sources, at the same time as to teach people how to use less energy

then shut the nuclear plants down when we're ready

 

[gnoff]

man, what are they going to do when 2010 comes around???

buy even more power from abroad

it's political, no sense behind it :d

 

[xforeverxmetalx]

very true
one more point why Mr Bush should react and try to get something happening.

Like I said yeasterday, gas here is twice what you pay
Some people are forced to sell their cars by now, too expensive to use them

that's the main reason i don't want mccain in office next term... his plans are along the lines of "we've got plenty of programs in place, we don't have to do anything more"
*stab*

 

[gnoff]

what we need is someone like ozzy for president...

or the Governator


btw, I'm only some 500 posts behind you now

 

[xforeverxmetalx]

damn, I turned this thread into a political environmental friendly thing

what ever happend to good old

*beer*

??

but politics are fun!
wow, never thought i'd say that...