Why is it a crime to ventilate your opinion about the billing

[Bramadeus]

Grrr, how typical. I postulated an opinion about the -imo (yes, that reads MY opinion)- weak line-up and what happens, a couple of minutes later my message is being separated into # quotes out of the context, a vicious reply has been made publicly and the topic is locked.

This is very lame I think, since not necessarily all people who have an opinion about the bands playing are the 6 braincell idiots some people want us to be.

There ARE objective criteria to judge a band by, a thing that is not to be denied. I am talking about very difficult words like songwriting skill, atmosphere, adventurousness, musical skill, popularity and so on and in this regard the line-up is considerably weak.
I am still going though, so what is the problem? Is it such a horrid act to comment on this lame programming?

Ps: to be at least a bit cliché, what the hell is Within Temptation doing on this bill? What does this band ask, like 25-50000 euros? I mean, there is no one that is actually waiting for a terribly annoying and caricatural band like this. I mean, there could have been a couple of great bands that ask a considerable lesser amount of cash and who are a lot better or more mature than them. And no, I am not someone who doesn't know what marketing is (a big name is supposed to attract more people, yet I don't think the average WT fan will decide to drop by at WOA to see their fave band play), thus nor do I expect Wacken to program only the most grim, frostbitten necro underground suicidal black metal acts...

Do not tell me that there are no interesting fresh acts anymore...


Don't give me the "tastes differ" crap please...

 

[Hammered_gods]

Grrr, how typical. I postulated an opinion about the -imo (yes, that reads MY opinion)- weak line-up and what happens, a couple of minutes later my message is being separated into # quotes out of the context, a vicious reply has been made publicly and the topic is locked.

This is very lame I think, since not necessarily all people who have an opinion about the bands playing are the 6 braincell idiots some people want us to be.

There ARE objective criteria to judge a band by, a thing that is not to be denied. I am talking about very difficult words like songwriting skill, atmosphere, adventurousness, musical skill, popularity and so on and in this regard the line-up is considerably weak.
I am still going though, so what is the problem? Is it such a horrid act to comment on this lame programming?

Ps: to be at least a bit cliché, what the hell is Within Temptation doing on this bill? What does this band ask, like 25-50000 euros? I mean, there is no one that is actually waiting for a terribly annoying and caricatural band like this. I mean, there could have been a couple of great bands that ask a considerable lesser amount of cash and who are a lot better or more mature than them. And no, I am not someone who doesn't know what marketing is (a big name is supposed to attract more people, yet I don't think the average WT fan will decide to drop by at WOA to see their fave band play), thus nor do I expect Wacken to program only the most grim, frostbitten necro underground suicidal black metal acts...

Do not tell me that there are no interesting fresh acts anymore...


Don't give me the "tastes differ" crap please...

You know, there is lot of shit at every festival. I dont to any festival cause of bands, otherwise I would vomit a lot

Within Temptation...trademark sells...you know stupid metalheads wouldnt mind to see any cunt on the stage who will look at least a bit better than David Hasselhof

 

[Quark]

Grrr, how typical. I postulated an opinion about the -imo (yes, that reads MY opinion)- weak line-up and what happens, a couple of minutes later my message is being separated into # quotes out of the context, a vicious reply has been made publicly and the topic is locked.

This is very lame I think, since not necessarily all people who have an opinion about the bands playing are the 6 braincell idiots some people want us to be.

There ARE objective criteria to judge a band by, a thing that is not to be denied. I am talking about very difficult words like songwriting skill, atmosphere, adventurousness, musical skill, popularity and so on and in this regard the line-up is considerably weak.
I am still going though, so what is the problem? Is it such a horrid act to comment on this lame programming?

Ps: to be at least a bit cliché, what the hell is Within Temptation doing on this bill? What does this band ask, like 25-50000 euros? I mean, there is no one that is actually waiting for a terribly annoying and caricatural band like this. I mean, there could have been a couple of great bands that ask a considerable lesser amount of cash and who are a lot better or more mature than them. And no, I am not someone who doesn't know what marketing is (a big name is supposed to attract more people, yet I don't think the average WT fan will decide to drop by at WOA to see their fave band play), thus nor do I expect Wacken to program only the most grim, frostbitten necro underground suicidal black metal acts...

Do not tell me that there are no interesting fresh acts anymore...


Don't give me the "tastes differ" crap please...

Look at the line-up of OUR Graspop. SlipkNOT and Papa Roach on the bill, Bullet for my Valentine (cancelled themselves) and so forth??

Don't think it's better at home than abroard. I am actually thinking about passign GMM because of that. (and that's a shame for the GMM organization)

And your topic isn't locked, it's just impossible to post in WOA 2005 sugg..... Noone can do that in any thread which is opened there. It has nothing to do with you, or the contains of your post.

 

[LEX]

MY opinion is that people who feel the need to bitch and complain about something as over all awsome as WOA are lame.

 

[Kate McGee]

And your topic isn't locked, it's just impossible to post in WOA 2005 sugg..... Noone can do that in any thread which is opened there. It has nothing to do with you, or the contains of your post.

that's not exactly correct either...
you can post there in your own thread and the mods can do that too - they are the only people who can really answer to a thread. I doubt if this is the best solution, but it certainly reduces the amount of useless quarreling about certain bands etc. in that forum.



And no @ Bramadeus, it is no crime.
What I missed in your post over there was something like constructive suggestions...which bands would YOU like instead of what's on the billing now? At least regarding Dissection, which is number 2 on the list of bands in your profile, one wish must have come true. And many of the other bands in your profile simply cannot come to Wacken this year (as far as I remember from when I had a look at your profile in the afternoon)- or have been there one or two years ago so that it's not really necessary to have them there again.

Well your profile is the only thing I can comment on...I don't know what other bands you would have liked to see at WOA in 2005.
You can answer to your own thread in the other forum part, if you like to, and tell the people what you would have liked instead of what you are going to get right now. Not just say "hey, the billing is crappy" but say "hey, the billing is crappy, I would have found A and B and C better instead of D and E"


and in the end it still IS a matter of taste - in my opinion this year's billing is fantastic. And many people say so. Many others dislike the billing. That's a strange situation...it's really polarizing people this year.

 

[Hammered_gods]

Mixed festivals arent good. Nobody would ever mix in czech heavy metal with grind and black metal. It might end up fighting If there are festivals, then only strictly Screaming metal or Brutal metal. Its better. If there will be any screaming metal group playing at brutal festivals, some people might throw stuff on them.

 

[Bramadeus]

Well If I could pick some bands they would be (can't think of em all right now, too damn exhausted):

-Extol
-Masterplan
-Hatesphere
-God Dethroned
-Spiral Architect
- Farmakon
- Nile
- Emperor reunion (hehe)
- elakelaiset again
- Racer X
- Loudness
- Anaal Nathrakh
- Nevermore (new cd)
- Cryptopsy
- God Forbid
- 3 Inches of Blood
- Morbid Angel
- Necrophagist
- Winds
- Scorpions (playing their good olde rocksongs as a headliner)
- Mors Principum Est
- Children of Bodom
- Wintersun
- Alice Cooper
- Schandmaul
- Arcturus
- The Black Dahlia Murder
- Dillinger Escape Plan
- Meshuggah
- Node
- Orphaned Land
- Shining
- Khold
- Textures
- Vital Remains
- Angra
- Helloween

Oh, and an At the Gates reunion

Thats about it, not that difficult to program is it? (lol)

 

[Quark]

Well If I could pick some bands they would be (can't think of em all right now, too damn exhausted):

-Extol
-Masterplan
-Hatesphere
-God Dethroned
-Spiral Architect
- Farmakon
- Nile
- Emperor reunion (hehe)
- elakelaiset again
- Racer X
- Loudness
- Anaal Nathrakh
- Nevermore (new cd)
- Cryptopsy
- God Forbid
- 3 Inches of Blood
- Morbid Angel
- Necrophagist
- Winds
- Scorpions (playing their good olde rocksongs as a headliner)
- Mors Principum Est
- Children of Bodom
- Wintersun
- Alice Cooper
- Schandmaul
- Arcturus
- The Black Dahlia Murder
- Dillinger Escape Plan
- Meshuggah
- Node
- Orphaned Land
- Shining
- Khold
- Textures
- Vital Remains
- Angra
- Helloween

Oh, and an At the Gates reunion

Thats about it, not that difficult to program is it? (lol)

Depends all on the agendas of the bands concerned.

No-one knows if the bands have the time, the need, or if they like to play at W:O:A. Some of them may have contractual obligations to either perform somewhere else, or to be at the studio to record a new album, or maybe they're just on a hollyday, dand out of reach for everybody.

But I reckon, programming such a big festival as e.g. W:O:A or for that matter GMM is a very difficult job, since you have to take into concideration that you want to attract al lot po people, but everybody has his/her own taste. You both depend on the public as well as on the artists who (want to) play at the festival.

 

[Sam Przyborowski]

I think the line up is bloody good. Hadn't heard a lot of the bands before they were announced but have since checked a lot of them out and discovered some new bands.

 

[Kate McGee]

2004 ---> not possible:
- Helloween
- Children of Bodom
- Schandmaul
- Eläkeläiset
- Nevermore

2003 ---> possible but not necessary:
- Masterplan
- Nile

2002 and earlier ---> okay:
- Angra
- Cryptopsy
- Morbid Angel
- God Dethroned
- ...

oh and I don't want to see the Scorpions again.....I was full of enthusiasm when I went to the Arrow Rock Festival last year........no band has ever disappointed me like that.........*sigh*

 

[Warthog]

Bramadeus, no offense man, but you're blowing a lot of hot air without making a gram of sense, or even a discernable argument for that matter. And if you're going to continue to piss and moan and ramble like that, 6 braincells seems overly generous.

First: I understand English may not be your first language, so please review the meaning of the very diffcult word "objective" at webster.com. "Songwriting skill, atmosphere, adventurousness musical skill, popularity" are NOT objective criteria - you cannot quantify or assess them without resorting to personal opinion (with the possible exception of "popularity", which can be gauged somewhat by record sales and concert attendance). They are all matters of subjective personal opinion. For example - you want to see Nile at WOA, I think they're absolute crap, have been since Ramses Bringer of War, write plodding boring absolutely worthless songs, and the only reason I'd want them at WOA is so that I'd have a guaranteed lunch break.

Second: Is Within Temptation the only band you have a problem with? Skip their set and drink a few. No one's forcing you to watch them.

Third: When were Whack Dahlia Blunder ever "interesting" or "fresh"?

Fourth: Tastes do differ. That's why I go to metal festivals, not hiphop or trance fests.

 

[Zombi]

the scorpions at wacken...hehehehe

 

[Warthog]

Why not? You'd see some fellow Zombis onstage!

 

[MrHellRaiser]

Scotty - damn right. now stop reading my mind and post it on line.

 

[Sam Przyborowski]

the scorpions at wacken...hehehehe

I thought they were pretty good supporting Priest.